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Wednesday, January 11, 2006

 

 The BCNGroup Beadgames

 

 

Challenge Problem  à

Additional reading:

Cory Casanave's paper on Data Access

work on ontology for biological signal pathways

e-Business Model Ontology

 

[126] ß parallel discussion in generative methodology bead thread

 

Discussion on informational invariance and complexity

 

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Hi, Paul!

 

I have seen a lot of cases where I felt a field was misnamed in a way that causes confusion. (I don't have strong feelings in this case.) However, it makes some sense to give in to established names. "Control theory," for example, is a term that has confused many people outside that field, and sent people into orbit with hysterical misunderstanding... but that's the name they use.

 

Throwing out all the work by Per Bak and so on, and calling it "complicatedness theory," would be a bit weird at this point.

 

Furthermore... "complicated" rather than "complex" is more appropriate for systems which are born as Rube Goldbergs, not for systems which are less complicated in terms of their axiomatic basis.

 

You said:

 

 Paul (Werbos) this is really critical to the point I have been making over and over for two decades.   You have not read, I assume,  the careful and detailed analysis that Robert Rosen made... I know from private discussions over the decades that you do not read Rosen... and only look at Penrose's arguments on a surface.  You have not addressed this careful analysis.  

 

 

 

It is true, that I haven't made a great study of Rosen. The excerpts I have seen here and there were not enough to motivate me -- but I understand that quotes out of context might not do full justice to his thinking.

 

However, a definition of complex systems that explicitly rejects all concepts of emergence does not raise my level of personal interest.