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Thursday, January 12, 2006

 

 The BCNGroup Beadgames

 

 

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Additional reading:

Cory Casanave's paper on Data Access

work on ontology for biological signal pathways

e-Business Model Ontology

 

[127] ß parallel discussion in generative methodology bead thread

[127] ß parallel discussion on Rosen complexity

 

On the meaning of “axiom” 

 

Earlier part of this discussion

[342], [343], [344], [345], [346], [347], [348], [349], [350] 

 

 

John (Sowa) and Paul (Werbos)

 

Assertion:   The semantic web community has created a new meaning for the term "axiom".  This new meaning is related to the classical (and well understood) notions about the small number of axioms and postulates (5 plus 5) of Greek geometry.   But the new meaning is not clear and not consistent from one semantic web group to the next.  I will draw a conclusion about the mainstream use of the term "complexity" as being or related to the computations of a computer program. 

 

 

quote from http://library.thinkquest.org/22584/emh1200.htm

 

Certainly one of the greatest achievements of the early Greek mathematicians was the creation of the postulational form of thinking.  In order to establish a statement in a deductive system, one must show that the statement is a necessary logical consequence of some previously established statements.
    These, in their turn, must be established from some still more previously established statements, and so on.  Since the chain cannot be continued backward indefinitely, one must, at the start, accept some finite body of statements without proof or else commit the unpardonable sin of circularity, by deducing statement A from statement B and then later B from A.  These initially assumed statements are called the postulates, or axioms, of the discourse, and all other statements of the discourse must be logically implied by them.  Where the statements of a discourse are so arranged, the discourse is said to be presented in postulational form.
    So great was the impression made by the formal aspect of Euclid's Elements on following generations that the work became a model for rigorous mathematical demonstration.
    It is not certain precisely what statements Euclid assumed for his postulates and axioms, nor, for that matter, exactly how many he had, for changes and additions were made by subsequent editors.  There is fair evidence, however, that he adhered to the second distinction and that he probably assumed the equivalents of the following ten statements, five "axioms," or common notions, and five geometric "postulates":

A1 Things that are equal to the same thing are also equal to one another.
A2 If equals be added to equals, the wholes are equal.
A3 If equals be subtracted from equals, the remainders are equal
A4 Things that coincide with one another are equl to one another.
A5 The whole is greater than the part.
P1 It is possible to draw a straight line from any point to any other point.
P2 It is possible to produce a finite straight line indefinitely in that straight line.
P3 It is possible to describe a circle with any point as center and with a radius equal to any to finite straight line drawn from the center.
P4 All right angles are equal to one another.
P5 If a straight line intersects two straight lines so as to make the interior angles on one side of it together less than two right angles, these straight lines will intersect, if indefinitely produced, on the side on which are the angles which are together less than two right angles.

 

 

John (Sowa)    {John’s reply  à [354]}

 

I will ask you to describe what the term "axiom" means within this large and influential community.  

 

You know I have objected to the appearance of many meanings and the utter inability of most in the OWL user groups (for example) to clearly specify what "axiom" means TO him or her.   You talk consistantly about "the axioms" of an ontology, and I quite literally do not know what you are talking about, because as a trained PhD in mathematics the axioms of a branch of mathematics, geometry, number theory or real analysis is not what is being talked about.  Nor is there the clarity that one sees in the axioms and postulates of geometry.

 

If we talk about the axioms of First Order Logic, then how many are they?  What is the list? 

 

Is an axiom an assertion that a OWL class has an is a relationship to an other OWL class? 

 

 

People talk about an ontology as a set of concepts, relationships between concepts, attributes and/or properties of these concepts, then there are the "axioms" and inference engines.  These axioms and inference engines seem in infinite variety.   Is there, any more in the new meaning, the classical notions of self evidence of anything called an "axiom"?  

 

I made the argument, not accepted by the ONTAC group, that an ontology should be free of inference, because inference is a logical entailment, and my training in works by Rosen and others tells me that entailment is the key issue that is not gotten right as yet.  But we, our society, could really use controlled vocabularies and concept ontologies. 

 

see notes by Judith Rosen on this at:

 

 

http://www.ontologystream.com/beads/nationalDebate/347.htm

and

http://www.ontologystream.com/beads/nationalDebate/353.htm

 

 

As part of this discussion Paul Werbos is a bit critical of my criticism of computer science in it's defining "complexity" as something which is computational...

 

I wrote something on this in 1997

 

http://www.bcngroup.org/area3/pprueitt/kmbook/Chapter2.htm

 

 

but all of this is background to the issue of importance and that is the control of language by computer science ... in the use (misuse) of terms like

 

formal semantics

artificial intelligence

logical expressiveness

computational complexity

and

axiom

 

Can we get a handle on this?

 

 

Dr Paul S Prueitt

The Taos Research Institute

Taos New Mexico